AWD Manual?

[EW1N]

Hey guys

Is there a reason mitsubishi never made the awd models avaliable as a manual?

Is it possible to do a manual conversion on any/all of the awd models? What if any problems/downsides are there to doing so?

[Jasons VRX]

Hey guys

Is there a reason mitsubishi never made the awd models avaliable as a manual?

Is it possible to do a manual conversion on any/all of the awd models? What if any problems/downsides are there to doing so?

Main reasons were cost and very limited sales projection for a manual AWD magna (needed alot of sales to recoup R&D costs). Hell even the FWD manual models had a very low build rate (when we were building 360 cars in a 8 hour shift, the FWD manual build numbers were around 6-10cars per day).

[Boozer]

Main reasons were cost and very limited sales projection for a manual AWD magna (needed alot of sales to recoup R&D costs). Hell even the FWD manual models had a very low build rate (when we were building 360 cars in a 8 hour shift, the FWD manual build numbers were around 6-10cars per day).

makes financial sense, as well as with current threads being something long the lines of 90% of new cars sold are automatics hence why companies like Ford are investing in the ZF auto gear box for the Falcon.

[DSMAZDAGTR]

I remember hearing that they had a development mule that was manual, but that as stated above, the costs and development timeframe left it on the sideline.

I think they should've just thrown the VR4 gear into it and be done with it...
I considered looking into a conversion myself, however then I learnt that the VR4 galants were the same price as AWD magnas, so why would you actually bother (other than throwing a heap of money at something simply to have something different, which I can completely understand)..

Hell, if I had the cash, I'd have an AWD magna in my garage right now in pieces trying to work out how to shoehorn some form of manual box into it for the pleasure of being 'the first'... I'm sure if the end result prooved to be not too overly expensive, several would want to follow you... However, I'd also have an RS4 in the driveway as a daily as well.....

But alas, I digress..


The simple answer, is that it is probably possible to convert one to manual, however you could not use the FWD manual gearbox, as it lacks the hardward and support to be AWD, so you'd need to select some other AWD manual gearbox from another model (such as an evo, or a vr4, etc) and then work out how to stick it in there, get the rest of the drivetrain to work properly as well as ensuring that the gear ratios were suitable for the magna. It's no small job to do yourself.

[zero]

Can't remember if it was manual or not but a couple of the MMAL developmental guys were telling me about a 380 powered one that went well.

[spud100]

When the AWD Ralliart workshop was being closed down in Homebush they were selling a spare Ralliart engine and a manual conversion package on a pallet at the end of 2003, early 2004.

If we had the late 2003 early 2004 forum the posts about this would be there. There were even some photos.
Rally AWD's I understand were manual initially.
Workshop manual even has one reference to AWD manual!!


Gearboxes.
The EVO gearbox could possible be persuaded to fit.
However there are 2 problems -
1) Final drive ratio is set up for a high revving turbo motor. Diff helical gear is driven directly from the gearbox driven shaft.
2) The engine mounting side is not the same shape. The Magna bellhousing has a big Vee shaped notch cut into it a the top to clear the water outlet.
all the other hardware matches up. things like gearbox mount position, clutch slave cylinder position, swittchgear and even the gear selector mechanism. Magna gear selector and cables just bolts straight on OK.


I suspect that the better way is to modify a Magna 5 speed manual gearbox bymaking an adaptor plate onto the diff housing and changing the gearbox output shaft.

I have both gearboxes on the garage floor, unfortunately a major house refurb is still under way.

Gerry

[DSMAZDAGTR]

Any comments on the VR4 box??

[Jasons VRX]

Ive stated on here many many times what we used in the "proto" manual AWD but im not going to go thru telling it allover again.

[Jasons VRX]

When the AWD Ralliart workshop was being closed down in Homebush they were selling a spare Ralliart engine and a manual conversion package on a pallet at the end of 2003, early 2004.

If we had the late 2003 early 2004 forum the posts about this would be there. There were even some photos.
Rally AWD's I understand were manual initially.
Workshop manual even has one reference to AWD manual!!


Gearboxes.
The EVO gearbox could possible be persuaded to fit.
However there are 2 problems -
1) Final drive ratio is set up for a high revving turbo motor. Diff helical gear is driven directly from the gearbox driven shaft.
2) The engine mounting side is not the same shape. The Magna bellhousing has a big Vee shaped notch cut into it a the top to clear the water outlet.
all the other hardware matches up. things like gearbox mount position, clutch slave cylinder position, swittchgear and even the gear selector mechanism. Magna gear selector and cables just bolts straight on OK.


I suspect that the better way is to modify a Magna 5 speed manual gearbox bymaking an adaptor plate onto the diff housing and changing the gearbox output shaft.

I have both gearboxes on the garage floor, unfortunately a major house refurb is still under way.

Gerry

The 2 AWD magna rally cars were both 5 speed autos (as per the actually production cars) as thats what the production class rules are about.

We used a 5 speed RS box in the R&D awd mule at MMAL

[DSMAZDAGTR]

Helping a 'brother' out..

https://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/sh...AWD#post516716